akred
04-11 03:33 PM
IMO conventional is always better unless you are buying a condo. Few people stick with their loan long enough to recoup the cost of the initial mortgage insurance.
Conventional loans are not harder to get with a low down payment. Best to shop around to find a lender who can meet your terms.
Conventional loans are not harder to get with a low down payment. Best to shop around to find a lender who can meet your terms.
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ps57002
09-14 07:50 AM
I see IV has done an excellent job in promoting the event as I see it listed in several newspapers (and listed on lawfirm websites such as murthy, siskund, etc. I think it will be a huge turnout and you want to be a part of this exciting rally. If you're thinking "well there's enough people already" then you need to think "i'm doing my part, that's what matters, no matter how many show/don't show up". Stand up for what is right. Stand up cause enough is enough. Stand up because each and every one counts. Come on to D.C. You'll make a lot of new friends and can have fun in person talking to people who understand....you can talk about your receipts in person too :p Will be great...don't miss out.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20070025734
http://www.sulekha.com/groups/postdisplay.aspx%3fcid=1733%26forumid=1073559
blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2007/07/immigration-v-2.html
www.i-newswire.com/pr120784.html
www.ianh.org/CommunityEvents
http://bibdaily.com/
www.telugucinema.net/board/viewtopic.php?topic=532&forum=1
www.sajha.com/sajha/html/openThread.cfm?forum=2&threadid=50661
www.aapkamanoranjan.com/beta/event_detail.php?id=224
www.atlantadunia.com/dunia/DesiCafeShowDtl.asp?ThisAd=226&Vuid=2358
washington.eknazar.com/Events/viewevent.php?id=27493
www.gbnc.org/sajha/html/eventdetail.cfm?eventid=1224
http://www.universitet.us/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9129
http://www.indiaabroad.com/events/ia_display.php?seldate1=&seldate2=&location=District+Of+Columbia
http://www.netsapboston.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=412
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20070025734
http://www.sulekha.com/groups/postdisplay.aspx%3fcid=1733%26forumid=1073559
blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2007/07/immigration-v-2.html
www.i-newswire.com/pr120784.html
www.ianh.org/CommunityEvents
http://bibdaily.com/
www.telugucinema.net/board/viewtopic.php?topic=532&forum=1
www.sajha.com/sajha/html/openThread.cfm?forum=2&threadid=50661
www.aapkamanoranjan.com/beta/event_detail.php?id=224
www.atlantadunia.com/dunia/DesiCafeShowDtl.asp?ThisAd=226&Vuid=2358
washington.eknazar.com/Events/viewevent.php?id=27493
www.gbnc.org/sajha/html/eventdetail.cfm?eventid=1224
http://www.universitet.us/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9129
http://www.indiaabroad.com/events/ia_display.php?seldate1=&seldate2=&location=District+Of+Columbia
http://www.netsapboston.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=412
anurakt
12-27 09:41 AM
Hi Everyone,
Just wanted to give an update of the tri state meeting on 12/24 happened last sunday. Eight to Nine members attended this meeting and folliwing were the discussions points :
Pappu gave us an update and insight in to IV's working and what is going on. This changed lot of members thinking about IV , i.e. members learnt on how much political capital the core and IV has gained in the past 1 year. How without much money and only with grass root operation we have acheived so much . Also Pappu gave us na update on where is everyhting currently. I cannot give those details for obvuious reasons , but the members present at the meeting know what I am talking about. We further discussed that how important it has become that instead of just concentrating in DC , we need to energize ousrselved in each and every state. This is very important as we have time only till Aug 2007 to acheive whatever we can, after which the presidential campaign would take over everyhting.
Members were informed about on how the contribution has been used currently %ge wise. Also at the meeting it was dicussed that the whole face of the IV looks very Indian ad other ethinic communities who too are retrogressed are not involved. Thus it was urged to those members especially from other ethinic communities to please come forward and get more faces in,this would make IV a complete representation of the current retrogression.
Also in the dicussions we told members that we need to be riding on our own identitiy and should not mix our goals with illegals. Anytime we talk about IV we should maintain phrases like "High Skilled Legal Immigrants" "paying taxes" etc etc. This is very importnant for meet the lawmakers program , as this will create our own identiity and political capital.
Meet the lawmakers is a very important program and members are urged to please participate in numbers as much as possible, there may be a chance that people from a particular state may have to show up in hundreds near some senators office who may be very important for our goals. Please do not ask the names , if interested please join state chapeter meeting and if you don't have one, please start one and ask a core to join you.
The JOB of IV is just not CIR, CIR would be the first win and there are more fights after CIR. IV wants to be the face of any legal immigrant issue resolution in this country and wants to make sure that the political capital and efforts we created doesn't go wasted after retrogression is finished.... We want tobe an organization which can be effective in country and help all those who are or who may be facing similar situation in coming years. The job won't finish with CIR, IV may need to work further on things like USCIS inefficiencies... FBI name check and other issues. To accomplish all this we need to be bigger stronger and grsass root level organization.
I urge members from other state to please keep contributing and attend state chapter meeting.... Friends beleive me when you meet in the chapter meeting , the kind of updates you get is 1000 times more than what you see on the online forum.
I would also request other members who attended this meeting to please write their post meeting views.
Last but not the least , I would like to thank every member who participated to make it a sucesses and other members who could not participate due to personal issues, I am sure they will make it next time (Please get up early:) :) )
Just wanted to give an update of the tri state meeting on 12/24 happened last sunday. Eight to Nine members attended this meeting and folliwing were the discussions points :
Pappu gave us an update and insight in to IV's working and what is going on. This changed lot of members thinking about IV , i.e. members learnt on how much political capital the core and IV has gained in the past 1 year. How without much money and only with grass root operation we have acheived so much . Also Pappu gave us na update on where is everyhting currently. I cannot give those details for obvuious reasons , but the members present at the meeting know what I am talking about. We further discussed that how important it has become that instead of just concentrating in DC , we need to energize ousrselved in each and every state. This is very important as we have time only till Aug 2007 to acheive whatever we can, after which the presidential campaign would take over everyhting.
Members were informed about on how the contribution has been used currently %ge wise. Also at the meeting it was dicussed that the whole face of the IV looks very Indian ad other ethinic communities who too are retrogressed are not involved. Thus it was urged to those members especially from other ethinic communities to please come forward and get more faces in,this would make IV a complete representation of the current retrogression.
Also in the dicussions we told members that we need to be riding on our own identitiy and should not mix our goals with illegals. Anytime we talk about IV we should maintain phrases like "High Skilled Legal Immigrants" "paying taxes" etc etc. This is very importnant for meet the lawmakers program , as this will create our own identiity and political capital.
Meet the lawmakers is a very important program and members are urged to please participate in numbers as much as possible, there may be a chance that people from a particular state may have to show up in hundreds near some senators office who may be very important for our goals. Please do not ask the names , if interested please join state chapeter meeting and if you don't have one, please start one and ask a core to join you.
The JOB of IV is just not CIR, CIR would be the first win and there are more fights after CIR. IV wants to be the face of any legal immigrant issue resolution in this country and wants to make sure that the political capital and efforts we created doesn't go wasted after retrogression is finished.... We want tobe an organization which can be effective in country and help all those who are or who may be facing similar situation in coming years. The job won't finish with CIR, IV may need to work further on things like USCIS inefficiencies... FBI name check and other issues. To accomplish all this we need to be bigger stronger and grsass root level organization.
I urge members from other state to please keep contributing and attend state chapter meeting.... Friends beleive me when you meet in the chapter meeting , the kind of updates you get is 1000 times more than what you see on the online forum.
I would also request other members who attended this meeting to please write their post meeting views.
Last but not the least , I would like to thank every member who participated to make it a sucesses and other members who could not participate due to personal issues, I am sure they will make it next time (Please get up early:) :) )
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meridiani.planum
11-26 02:57 AM
Hello Friends,
I filed for AOS on 07/2007, stopped using my current H1-B on 07/2008 (valid thru 07/2009). I am EB3-India PD 03/2005.
My question is if I can apply for a new H1-B thru a new company in the US now, instead of a transfer? I have a valid reason for doing that. Do let me know.
Thank you.
yes you can. Since your PD indicates your LC is >365 days old.
new H1 is same as transfer, there is no real difference in application etc. I assume you are moving from AOS-pending/EAD to an H1.
I filed for AOS on 07/2007, stopped using my current H1-B on 07/2008 (valid thru 07/2009). I am EB3-India PD 03/2005.
My question is if I can apply for a new H1-B thru a new company in the US now, instead of a transfer? I have a valid reason for doing that. Do let me know.
Thank you.
yes you can. Since your PD indicates your LC is >365 days old.
new H1 is same as transfer, there is no real difference in application etc. I assume you are moving from AOS-pending/EAD to an H1.
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snathan
05-23 06:14 PM
Hi,
Today I have got the template from Ron and he has written this for atlanta. I also posted question to him for adding the case number. I am bit concerned what kind of impact would be there if we give case number. Apart from that everything looks good. Feel free to add any comment or suggesstion.
I am not sure about chicago as the number is very small, feel free to add any suggession or you can directly talk to Ron Gotcher. if you are like around 10-20 guys, you may hire him and ask him to represent. I dont feel comfortable to ask him more help as he is not accepting any fee or just let me know if you how to approach/your thoughts.
================================================== =====================================
Gordon S. Heddell
Inspector General
United States Department of Labor
Office of Inspector General
200 Constitution Avenue, NW
Room S-5502
Washington, DC 20210
RE: Complaint of Malfeasance in the Atlanta Foreign Labor Certification Office
Dear Sir:
We, the undersigned, are victims of persistent malfeasance existing in the Atlanta, Georgia office of the Department of Labor�s Foreign Labor Certification Program. All of the undersigned are the beneficiaries of foreign labor certification applications filed with that office. We have seen similar applications filed by others, substantially after our applications were filed, processed to completion. We have made inquiries into the reasons for the delays in our cases but we have not received any answers, much less explanations.
It is our understanding that the Atlanta office is no processing cases on a first in, first out basis. Rather, they are selecting cases almost at random for processing. This is unfair and unreasonable. Later filed applications are being given preferential processing over earlier filed cases.
We ask that your office open an investigation into the reasons for this policy. If you find improper conduct, we ask that you recommend appropriate disciple for those responsible. If you do not find improper conduct, we ask that you require the Atlanta office to provide a detailed explanation for their behavior and, on a go forward basis, provide for transparency in their selection process. Whatever the reason for their existing procedures, there is a clear air of impropriety in what they are doing.
We look forward to your reply.
With regards,
[for each person who signs on, they need to give their name, their employer�s name, their case number, and their filing date.]
================================================== ======================================
For Admin:
Can you please keep this post in the top for sometime, so we can get attension/suuport from more people.
Guys, people contribute/support to IV's fund drive if you didnt do already. If you gain something from IV please consider to give back something. I believe we can clear and come out this mess with our collective effort. Thanks a lot for all of your support
Today I have got the template from Ron and he has written this for atlanta. I also posted question to him for adding the case number. I am bit concerned what kind of impact would be there if we give case number. Apart from that everything looks good. Feel free to add any comment or suggesstion.
I am not sure about chicago as the number is very small, feel free to add any suggession or you can directly talk to Ron Gotcher. if you are like around 10-20 guys, you may hire him and ask him to represent. I dont feel comfortable to ask him more help as he is not accepting any fee or just let me know if you how to approach/your thoughts.
================================================== =====================================
Gordon S. Heddell
Inspector General
United States Department of Labor
Office of Inspector General
200 Constitution Avenue, NW
Room S-5502
Washington, DC 20210
RE: Complaint of Malfeasance in the Atlanta Foreign Labor Certification Office
Dear Sir:
We, the undersigned, are victims of persistent malfeasance existing in the Atlanta, Georgia office of the Department of Labor�s Foreign Labor Certification Program. All of the undersigned are the beneficiaries of foreign labor certification applications filed with that office. We have seen similar applications filed by others, substantially after our applications were filed, processed to completion. We have made inquiries into the reasons for the delays in our cases but we have not received any answers, much less explanations.
It is our understanding that the Atlanta office is no processing cases on a first in, first out basis. Rather, they are selecting cases almost at random for processing. This is unfair and unreasonable. Later filed applications are being given preferential processing over earlier filed cases.
We ask that your office open an investigation into the reasons for this policy. If you find improper conduct, we ask that you recommend appropriate disciple for those responsible. If you do not find improper conduct, we ask that you require the Atlanta office to provide a detailed explanation for their behavior and, on a go forward basis, provide for transparency in their selection process. Whatever the reason for their existing procedures, there is a clear air of impropriety in what they are doing.
We look forward to your reply.
With regards,
[for each person who signs on, they need to give their name, their employer�s name, their case number, and their filing date.]
================================================== ======================================
For Admin:
Can you please keep this post in the top for sometime, so we can get attension/suuport from more people.
Guys, people contribute/support to IV's fund drive if you didnt do already. If you gain something from IV please consider to give back something. I believe we can clear and come out this mess with our collective effort. Thanks a lot for all of your support
BharatPremi
03-18 01:44 PM
what is GC sponser?
Amazing... Do you really have an EAD?
Amazing... Do you really have an EAD?
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boom
08-11 12:34 PM
Hi,
I am trying to fill the canadian visa application and would like to know what should I check on Question #8
a) citizen( obviously not)
b) Permanent residet
c) Temporary resident
d)Worker
e) Student(obviously not)
It also asks valid until date(What should I put).I am no longer working on H1B as I am using EAD
Need to travel to canada on Friday(08/13/2010)
Any help is appreciated.
I am trying to fill the canadian visa application and would like to know what should I check on Question #8
a) citizen( obviously not)
b) Permanent residet
c) Temporary resident
d)Worker
e) Student(obviously not)
It also asks valid until date(What should I put).I am no longer working on H1B as I am using EAD
Need to travel to canada on Friday(08/13/2010)
Any help is appreciated.
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GC Struggle
04-10 11:49 AM
Hi Guys -
I have a question about EAD and related to it is a question of re entry in US.
I am currently on h1b visa and have approved I 140 and was able to file for I-485 application along with EAD in July 07 fiasco. I got my EAD in Aug 2007 but never used it. I did not apply for AP.
Currently I am working as a consultant for (say) Co. ABC but my h1b holder is a desi consulting firm (say) Co. XYZ.
Now Co. ABC wants to hire me on EAD and I also want to take up this position. My current h1b expires in SEP 08 and my contract with Co. ABC expires May 2nd 2008.
If I take up a FT job with Co. ABC on May3rd and then go to Canada on May 15th for 10 days and then come back on May 25th and enter on h1b, what could be the impacts???
Once you use your EAD you will no option but to enter on AP. Using your EAD would automatically cancel your H1- B � This can be reactivated by filing an amendment with USCIS � by doing so you will get an H1 for a duration that you still have remaining as part of the 6 year period (in this case an H1 amendment would cost the same as a new H1)
It is too late for me to apply and get the AP but I have to travel on May 15, at the same time I don�t want to lose this position and want to take up the FT job.
An approval for an AP takes considerable amount of time.
Any suggestion on what could be my options to consider. I know that as soon as you use your EAD you lose h1b status but how does USCIS comes to know? How much time it takes for them to actually know that you have moved from h1b to EAD?
There is no way USCIS will be informed if you are using your EAD or H1. Why don�t you travel on your H1 and activate your EAD after you return from Canada
Gurus - please help me here...........
I have a question about EAD and related to it is a question of re entry in US.
I am currently on h1b visa and have approved I 140 and was able to file for I-485 application along with EAD in July 07 fiasco. I got my EAD in Aug 2007 but never used it. I did not apply for AP.
Currently I am working as a consultant for (say) Co. ABC but my h1b holder is a desi consulting firm (say) Co. XYZ.
Now Co. ABC wants to hire me on EAD and I also want to take up this position. My current h1b expires in SEP 08 and my contract with Co. ABC expires May 2nd 2008.
If I take up a FT job with Co. ABC on May3rd and then go to Canada on May 15th for 10 days and then come back on May 25th and enter on h1b, what could be the impacts???
Once you use your EAD you will no option but to enter on AP. Using your EAD would automatically cancel your H1- B � This can be reactivated by filing an amendment with USCIS � by doing so you will get an H1 for a duration that you still have remaining as part of the 6 year period (in this case an H1 amendment would cost the same as a new H1)
It is too late for me to apply and get the AP but I have to travel on May 15, at the same time I don�t want to lose this position and want to take up the FT job.
An approval for an AP takes considerable amount of time.
Any suggestion on what could be my options to consider. I know that as soon as you use your EAD you lose h1b status but how does USCIS comes to know? How much time it takes for them to actually know that you have moved from h1b to EAD?
There is no way USCIS will be informed if you are using your EAD or H1. Why don�t you travel on your H1 and activate your EAD after you return from Canada
Gurus - please help me here...........
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narenkasam
01-25 10:44 AM
did you change the address after filing for you I485
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japs19
02-20 05:19 PM
As I got 3 years ext. I am a bit relaxed about re-starting my GC process with new employer. Why rush, with the retro, it won't get me GC any sooner anyways so I plan to taste the water before I take the obligation of GC sponsorship from new employer.
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loudoggs
12-03 11:19 AM
Lazycis,
Did you inform USCIS after you invoked AC21? Thanks!
Do not worry about it. As long as you keep your job, you are fine. I've been thru the same situation, did not do anything special and got my GC.
Did you inform USCIS after you invoked AC21? Thanks!
Do not worry about it. As long as you keep your job, you are fine. I've been thru the same situation, did not do anything special and got my GC.
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jnayar2006
05-29 12:43 PM
I have the same question and I am sure there are several others who have the same questions. If I understand this correctly,
1. The application can be filed 120 days before the expiry date. (based on webm's reply).
2. If you travel outside the country and re-enter before the expiry date on the AP, you will still be paroled into the country for another year from the data of entry. Is this correct?
3. What does this date (till when you are paroled) stamped on the AP when you re-enter on an AP mean? What happens after this period - is there any specific action one needs to take to extend this time explicitly?
4. Does the answer to (3) above depend on whether you are on an I797 (H1) approval that is valid for a period beyond the paroled date or you are on an EAD?
Thanks for any help.
1. The application can be filed 120 days before the expiry date. (based on webm's reply).
2. If you travel outside the country and re-enter before the expiry date on the AP, you will still be paroled into the country for another year from the data of entry. Is this correct?
3. What does this date (till when you are paroled) stamped on the AP when you re-enter on an AP mean? What happens after this period - is there any specific action one needs to take to extend this time explicitly?
4. Does the answer to (3) above depend on whether you are on an I797 (H1) approval that is valid for a period beyond the paroled date or you are on an EAD?
Thanks for any help.
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coopheal
11-02 01:51 AM
Contributed $100 for Nov.
Transaction ID: 9771***********
Contribute now
1) so that IV dont have to pass an opportunity during lame duck session or early next year.
2) for your GC.
Transaction ID: 9771***********
Contribute now
1) so that IV dont have to pass an opportunity during lame duck session or early next year.
2) for your GC.
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sac-r-ten
01-08 10:46 AM
I understand this is your first post but..This question looks more demanding than a request for suggestion ...
totally agree on that. i was about to say the same but thought may be some people cannot communicate properly in english and thats y the "demanding" tone.
totally agree on that. i was about to say the same but thought may be some people cannot communicate properly in english and thats y the "demanding" tone.
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bslraju
05-27 11:31 AM
May I make a sincere suggestion. Please, go back to school, take a course in English grammar, writing mechanisms and reading comprehension. People can better respond to you, when they understand whatever is it you are asking. You may also be able to file as a qualified EB2 applicant. No pun intended.
Thank you for your advise and hostility. I understand your frustration.
I was in hurry when I was posting it. How ever I have deleted it and I will follow what you said.
My sincere advise to you is better you learn how to answer to a question and
focus on things along with correcting others.
It would have been nice if you post some useful reply which would help some one.
Thank you for your advise and hostility. I understand your frustration.
I was in hurry when I was posting it. How ever I have deleted it and I will follow what you said.
My sincere advise to you is better you learn how to answer to a question and
focus on things along with correcting others.
It would have been nice if you post some useful reply which would help some one.
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milind70
08-26 11:03 AM
Check with your lawyer. Extension beyond 6 yrs is not available if you are eligible to apply for I485. If you are not able to apply for 485 because of retrogression, you can extend your H1 beyond 6 yrs (of course, it doesnt apply to you).
This is not correct. you can apply for 1 year extensions if you have applied for 485 and is pending.
This is not correct. you can apply for 1 year extensions if you have applied for 485 and is pending.
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fullerene
07-17 06:11 PM
We shall continue our work by writing letters to lawmakers.
They shall freeze the VB at May so people come out from LC Backlog can have a chance to file 485.
They shall allocate all unused Visa numbers in previous years to people stay in backlog for years.
They shall revise the current Name Check procedure so the process can be done predictably.
They shall increase visa number cap and soften the country limits.
They shall pass SKILL BILL...
We have only a couple weeks before the summer recession. We need to keep our solidarity to make our dream true.
They shall freeze the VB at May so people come out from LC Backlog can have a chance to file 485.
They shall allocate all unused Visa numbers in previous years to people stay in backlog for years.
They shall revise the current Name Check procedure so the process can be done predictably.
They shall increase visa number cap and soften the country limits.
They shall pass SKILL BILL...
We have only a couple weeks before the summer recession. We need to keep our solidarity to make our dream true.
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totalvisa
04-25 08:39 PM
Here is my situation: I was on my 6th year of the h1b visa (I had about 3 months left of valid visa) when I left the country in January 2010 to live abroad...In August 2010 I came back to the US on a tourist visa and I applied to get the 3 months I had left on my H1b in November.
After waiting for over 4 months, I received the approval notice from immigration for the h1b valid only for 1 day!! (4/20/11-4/21/11)...I received the approval notice on the mail on 4/23, 2 days after the visa was valid...so basically, by the time I received the notice in the mail, I was already out of status.
If I apply for an extension this week, do you think that they will approve my 7th year extension or they might deny it based on the fact that I applied after my H1b visa expired? If they deny it, what are my options to stay in the country?
After waiting for over 4 months, I received the approval notice from immigration for the h1b valid only for 1 day!! (4/20/11-4/21/11)...I received the approval notice on the mail on 4/23, 2 days after the visa was valid...so basically, by the time I received the notice in the mail, I was already out of status.
If I apply for an extension this week, do you think that they will approve my 7th year extension or they might deny it based on the fact that I applied after my H1b visa expired? If they deny it, what are my options to stay in the country?
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kprgroup
07-20 12:37 PM
Background OF Myself
----------------------
Worked for Company A from 2003 to 2008.
Company A applied I-140 and approved April 2006. AOS 485 filed on July 2007. Got EAD but never used it
September 2008 I have Joined employer �B� by transferring H1B (Valid until Aug 2010).
Employer A revoked 140 which triggered 485 denials in October 2008.
Applied MTR and it was approved in NOVEMBER 2008 and 485 reopened.
Questions
----------
Now Will I able to renew my H1B? Using pending 485 more than 365 days?If so will able to get 3 years renewal?
Will the past 140 revoke issue, trigger any RFE?
When I send my all H1B renewal papers, do I need to enclose my 485 receipt copy? or also the MTR(Motion to Reopen)copy?
Thanks
KPR
----------------------
Worked for Company A from 2003 to 2008.
Company A applied I-140 and approved April 2006. AOS 485 filed on July 2007. Got EAD but never used it
September 2008 I have Joined employer �B� by transferring H1B (Valid until Aug 2010).
Employer A revoked 140 which triggered 485 denials in October 2008.
Applied MTR and it was approved in NOVEMBER 2008 and 485 reopened.
Questions
----------
Now Will I able to renew my H1B? Using pending 485 more than 365 days?If so will able to get 3 years renewal?
Will the past 140 revoke issue, trigger any RFE?
When I send my all H1B renewal papers, do I need to enclose my 485 receipt copy? or also the MTR(Motion to Reopen)copy?
Thanks
KPR
lazycis
01-04 01:06 PM
Here is what I usually submit:
1. A formal invtation letter addressed to American consulate.
2. I-485 receipts for me and my spouse.
3. Latest paycheck.
4. An employment letter from my company.
It never failed so far (3 different parents visiting 6 or 7 times), but again, it's just my personal experience.
1. A formal invtation letter addressed to American consulate.
2. I-485 receipts for me and my spouse.
3. Latest paycheck.
4. An employment letter from my company.
It never failed so far (3 different parents visiting 6 or 7 times), but again, it's just my personal experience.
god_bless_you
03-15 11:20 AM
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=207073
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